This episode is a recording of a conversation between Alan Gogoll and Matthew Boden, who discuss their different approaches to reaching audiences through social networking and live streaming platforms, and strategies they use for generating passive incomes from their music. This conversation was facilitated by Ursula Woods, and recorded at our In Conversation event at the Rosny Barn in August 2021. We would like to thank Clarence Council Arts and Events for their support. Enjoy. The Music Tasmania Podcast is supported by The Australia Council for the Arts, and Arts Tasmania.